Tuesday, December 04, 2007

Innocence of the young

I recently went through 2 experiences that made me realize how children are innocent and so close to purity. Sure, they can be real rascals at times, but their hearts are so clean and souls so pure that it just makes an almost-30-guy like myself miss this innocence that was once in me, too.

I was at the City Center mall last night and was waiting for my order to arrive at the counter from "Shamiana" (desi food rocks!). 2 local girls, who looked pretty young - 14 maximum I'd say - also were ordering their food as I looked on while I waited. The filipino lady at the counter gave these 2 girls a coupon, which I hadn't got. I politely asked the lady at the counter why I didn't get any discount coupons and she told me nicely how it was only valid for the combos that these 2 girls took. I just said, "Oh OK... thank you... maybe next time I will go for it" and continued waiting for my food.

One of the girls came up to me with BOTH the coupons and offered it to me! She said, "You can have it" (in her local Arab accent, hehe). I was pleasantly surprised! I declined, but she insisted. I didn't take the coupons and told her that I had already paid for my food and that it was very nice and polite of her to do such a kind thing for a total stranger. She smiled and kept her coupons on her tray and left with her friend looking for a place to sit.

A couple of nights prior to this I saw a little boy - I would guess 7 years of age - eating my favorite chips, Lays Salt and Vinegar!! The little boy was with his mother and father and I made a face at him suggesting "Aren't you going to share with me?" And what does the kid do? He sticks his hand out and offers me the entire packet! I told him "Can I have alllll of it??" (sounding excited) and he looked at his parents and just nodded in approval! I was so impressed by the kid's "tarbiyah" (upbringing)! I just took one and returned the rest and really complimented his parents on the kid's exemplary behavior and manners. They looked like pretty proud parents, hehe.

Some can argue the first example cannot be really classified as young children, but for a person who is breaking white hair left, right and center, those girls really reminded me of my teen days when I was so into myself. It was all about my image and I-dont-give-a-fudge, rocker attitude. The little boy also made me realize how we actually start off as really cool and pure souls and with our experiences and increasing individualism (because of self-centered interests) we turn out to be real idiots, frankly!

Sometimes I really wish I could turn back time and pause it into my childhood. Reminds me of that cool Enigma song from yesteryears, Return to Innocence!


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December 04, 2007 1:35 PM  
Blogger rosh said...

Al, this is such a wonderful post -well written & told :)

Children have such innocence - I see it very well in their eyes. You know, away from the city, there are many simple minded/heartened locals & non-locals as well - especially if you head to Khorfakkan or Dibba Al Husn. The farmers there are very giving.

There isn't much innocence here in NYC - believe me, I look for it everyday. Kids in this city, grow up so fast. I have heard 4 year olds "spell" and explain - certain fancy "F"rench vocabulary with ease. Can't blame the kids - the environment around them, makes most grow up much faster, not necessarily, smarter. It's during times like these, I sincerely begin to treasure, the ways of life instilled by my folks and the opportunity to grow up in the UAE.

December 04, 2007 1:36 PM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

Nice post..
Listen to this by Enigma " The Child in Us " :
I'll save you from yourself.. from the voices of the night.. from those demons caughting you..

December 04, 2007 5:31 PM  
Blogger the real nick said...

Yes, kids are wonderfully innocent that way.

They name a teddy bear Mohammed, and look what a fuss some 'adults' stink up.

December 05, 2007 5:28 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

I'm sorry but I wouldn't attach "Mohammad" to toys or pets.. it's simply non-negotiable..

By the same token, I wouldn't accept naming toys/pets " Gesus; Joseph; Jacob..etc " out of respect to our prophets..

Kids ( as well as all of us ) have to learn to be disciplined.. certain things in life you just don't fool around with.. !

December 05, 2007 6:01 AM  
Blogger al-republican said...


You do have a point there. The whole teddy bear thing was blown out of proportion I feel. Apparantly the teacher wouldn't have known that we Muslims don't name pets and toys after venerable and honorable persons.

As IYM says, there is no place in Islam for such nonsensical stuff. The case is a bit weird. I think it was seriously mishandled.

December 05, 2007 7:09 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

IYM/Al - respectfully, what is in a name? There are many souls out there who've been named Mohammed - not all amongst them are good souls. What is the harm if a teacher, obviously with positive intentions - suggests her kindergarten souls, to affectionately refer their teddy bear as Mohammed?

What do you mean by "it's simply non-negotiable" - (pardon my ignorance) is it explicitly stated, otherwise?

I respect Jesus for what he stood for - for the "objective" of his teachings & guidance. If someone wants to name her cat, Jesus - I don't have a problem with that - because, I know, it's a cat - and in all probability she did so, given her positive affection/love towards her cat (else she'd name her cat, Lucifer or something).

Point being, do we respect prophet Mohammed (PBUH) (or Jesus) for his name or what he stood for in Islam/Christianity?

December 05, 2007 8:12 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

Sorry Rosh.. but again I don't accept naming animals/pets/toys after our Prophets..

People have to have names, that's a human right to start with since we have intelligent minds and we communicate vocally..and when you name your child after Prophet Mohammed or Prophet David or Jacob, then it's out of deep and good intentions wishing your child might follow their paths in life.. However, if a person gets deviant for a reason or the other then again that has nothing to do with the name.. that's the upbringing mainly..

You can simply say 'a name is a name, so what?' but I think when a name has dimensions of honorability and respect, then I wouldn't demean it by attaching it to animals.. honestly. I don't think it's logical to name animals after names that has religious connotations.. it doesn't make any sense to me !

I know the Sudanese case went so far unnecessarily, but that's what happens when things are taken out of context.. but again it wasn't purely childhood innocense sicne it was suggested by a 52 year old non-Muslim teacher ! I don't think a Muslim British teacher would do the same.

December 05, 2007 10:12 AM  
Blogger al-republican said...


Let's not even go as far as Jesus or Muhammad (peace be upon them); would you name your own dog after your father? How despicable is that idea? You love your father, I am sure, and you probably love your dog, too. But, are you going to degrade your father by naming an animal after him? Or how about your mother for that matter? "Oh here is our bitch and I named it after my mom!" I hope the message registers.

Respecting our elders and Prophets and pious people is something only people with dignity and conscience do. These days, in the name of humanism, people are bashing God left, right and center let alone Prophets. Why can't we as people define boundaries and respect traditions and piety? What pleasure do we get out of degrading the names of our holy people? Yes, she may have done it out of love, but does love allow you to break all barriers and forget common courtesy??

How about the other side of the coin? Would you name your son "Lucifer"? Clearly, we have to establish some sort of protocol here.

I find it disgusting how people these days value their bloody dogs as if they are their prophets! I see people loving and respecting their dogs more than their spiritual fathers (Prophets) and holy men. It is a bloody shame. I have British neighbors and those idiots love their dogs more than their sons!

Sadly, thats how society has become these days - good is bad and bad is good.

December 05, 2007 10:20 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

Al - I certainly shall not name my dog/bitch after my folks & friends - however, am sure there are pets, whose name resemble someone else's mom & dad. I am sure there is a pet called Al or rosh :)

Point being, if an individual chooses to name his/her mom, grandma or wife after his/her pet (am not sure why we are focusing on the pet factor - thought it was about a teddy bear?) I have nothing to say to that - because am not at privity as to what made them do so - hence, I cannot simply stand up and say he/she mustn't do so.

In a world where religion has caused some folks, more grief - and a pet much affection – am not sure I can stand up and judge. It's quite easy to stand up and say - No! It takes a little more effort to understand people's mind set and reasons behind for doing so - and therein lays the nobility of being objective, which am certain is an objective of any religion.

"I find it disgusting how people these days value their bloody dogs as if they are their prophets!"

OK - am not sure if people actually do that. However, I used to share similar sentiments (to an extent still do). But let me ask you this – do you think it’s OK for a rapist to have a "holy" name – but not a teddy bear or a pet who means the world to someone – a pet who loves/cares for his master?

A name is a name – it shall have multiple purpose. Focus on the purpose – not the noun.

December 05, 2007 11:06 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

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December 05, 2007 11:14 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

...... so you know, the lady in my building (Penthouse #3) has a bull dog, named Lucifer. Trust me, that 12 dog is most things, but it's not Lucifer :)

December 05, 2007 11:16 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

....sorry, meant to say "is not *a* Lucifer"

December 05, 2007 11:18 AM  
Blogger al-republican said...


I dont even know why we are comparing apples to oranges here? A human being's name versus a teddy bear's name?? Barbie v/s Mother Mary? Wal 'eeyauthubillah!

Respect is respect. I may not name my dog or teddy bear after my dad, but I could name it after you dad (thats if I can fathom sharing my house space with a dog - sorry, I refuse to make my house a zoo) and you could do vice versa. Why? Because my object of honor is not the same as yours. Can we say the same about Prophets?? No, we all share our respect. Please, rosh, naming a teddy bear Jesus or Muhammad (astaghfirullah) is as stupid as the court ruling that couldn't understand the british woman's take.

This is all just really silly! But, Wallah, I have always wondered how Westerners can name their pets after human being names! I have NEVER got that?

On a more academic level, Islam is agaisnt polytheism and idolatory. Why do you think we dont have a statue of Rasulullah (SAW)? You think the statues of Jesus (AS) going around is really him? This is where humans lose the plot! Some guy made an idol and named it Jesus and everyone believed. I guess some day Barbie will become a Prophet too!

We Muslims take this very seriously, Rosh. There is more than a line drawn here and we won't and don't allow any room for manouvering here. The British lady might be doing out of good will. But, some crackpot will go a step further and name a puppy after a Prophet etc. Please don't make a mockery of religion. If you believe in the Day of Judgement, do not forget that we all will have to give an account of what we did in this World.

One of the reasons why Islam challenges Christian beliefs is on this same "teddy bear" principle. God questions the Christians how they can make a deity out of His own Creation and call Jesus the son of God?? It is the same principle at work here. God is All Pure and Pious. The Qur'an questions the Chrisitans if they do not see that Jesus (AS) ate, drank and used to relieve himself. God then asks, is He in need of food, water and excreting impure things?

Try to put this ideological challenge of Islam to people who extol Jesus (AS) to the status of God (by giving him God's name). Once your mind starts accepting such weird ideas (and I am sorry if this is your belief, but I have to be blunt) then I guess naming a teddy bear after a Prophet really is relatively a lesser sin.

December 05, 2007 11:30 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

Quick note back,

Al - pardon my ignorance. Is there guidance amongst any of the Holy books, a name such as Jesus or Mohammed - shall not be used for a teddy bear or a pet? Seriously, I don't know - hence my question. If yes, I take this whole debate back.

Having said that, reading your last comment, I think you've perhaps missed my point by a light-year - give me a while, I shall circle back with a thought or two.

December 05, 2007 11:49 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

Rosh.. "It takes a little more effort to understand people's mind set and reasons behind for doing so - and therein lays the nobility of being objective, which am certain is an objective of any religion."

All I can say is there is a huge difference between objectivity and insults.. Even if the teachers intention wasn't insultive, that's how it got percieved; and perception is what matters..

December 05, 2007 11:58 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...


We don't need guidance from Holly Books to show respect.. certain things are just logical..

December 05, 2007 12:07 PM  
Blogger rosh said...

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December 05, 2007 1:13 PM  
Blogger rosh said...

"Even if the teachers intention wasn't insultive, that's how it got percieved; and perception is what matters.."

IYM - perception & logic are subjective, not all facts which makes sense to you, shall make sense to me & vice versa. You like black - I like blue, doesn't mean we've got to hit each other black & blue to like one another :)

If a holy book does not detail something to this context - let us just say, it's a cultural difference, which is quite understandable. Implying it's religious cannot be farther from the truth and quite contradictory.

December 05, 2007 1:17 PM  
Blogger rosh said...

Al - think the fundamental difference lie in how it's being "perceived" by you & I.

I really don't want to get into a religious debate on what is correct. However, I shall say this - because someone uses a picture or an idol of some sort - does not contaminate his/her pure thoughts & prayers for well being. Do you honestly believe, a Hindu mom, praying for the well being of her family is doing so with evil intentions in her heart, than a Muslim mom, praying for something similar.

I wouldn't/couldn't judge means used. We are all different people, born into different homes & cultures, but created by the same good guy up there. For the most part, it's universally accepted by people across all religions - and that is whom most souls offer prayers to.

December 05, 2007 1:26 PM  
Blogger rosh said...

For the record - I believe in Christ. I don't know how he looks, however, when I pray, the focus is not his picture or his face, but those honest thoughts from the heart - in context with objectives of his teachings, life & actions.

December 05, 2007 1:31 PM  
Blogger al-republican said...


You are absolutely right - prayers is a pure act. Be it being offered by a Muslim, Christian or Hindu. The act is pure and the person prays with good intentions, no doubt. However, idolatory is an issue with God. Remember the 10 commandments? It is something that God HATES.

The reason being that God's "physical appearance" is nothing compared to His Creation. Humans are His Creation; Pigs are His Creation; Excretes are His Creation. If you look at it from God's perspective, we CANNOT be compared to God in any way or format. To do so (even with love and "good intentions") is an insult to His reality and uniqueness. It would be like I respect you a lot and I have this pet hamster that I love a lot. Since I can't be with you all the time (in physicality) I nominate the hamster to be you and then start talking to the hamster like it's Rosh!

God is Pure and God is Great; let us not mock the Creator of everything that exists by sketching Him with what we "think" He is - no matter how pure our intentions are. If we all were to do so, we would come up with 6 billion different gods.

I remember how an evangelist preacher at University was arguing with some atheist students that humans are not descendants of monkeys and that this is an insult to mankind and God (since we are supposed to be created in "God's image" as per christian ideology). I got up and told him that I agree with half his statement. I asked him that if you find it so repulsive to be compared to a monkey then do you not think for a second that by comparing man to God - who is Pure and Perfect - you are committing the same blasphemy as these atheists are? Guess what, the atheists clapped at that!

And are we SO desperate that we really can't find a name for a teddy other than the names of the Prophets? You know what, Rosh, the fall of civilizations is preceeded by such nonsensical debates. At the time the Islamic Empire was coming down, the Muslim scholars were discussing whether crow flesh is legal for consumption or not! And all sides were so into the debate that they were looking over the rapidly changing scenario till they got a rude awakening.

I think the West is going down a similar path with all this crazy "human rights" and stupid debates on freedom of speech and other BS.

December 05, 2007 7:42 PM  
Blogger rosh said...

As constantly evolving humans we've got to look beyond, and not take it all at face value. God gave man a thinking brain and a feeling heart - and a whole load of sensibilities. If he wishes his creation to follow the Quran or Bible - as an instruction manual, there'd be no need for a deep "thinking" mind or a feeling heart with a million set of emotions.

Human beings are simple, yet complex creatures. I simply cannot believe, any holy book shall contain specified instructions/versus - which can stand along, given the constant evolution of human thoughts & emotions. Religion is private - it's my one on one with God. My relation with God is not similar to yours, does not mean - am right and you are wrong?

"And are we SO desperate that we really can't find a name for a teddy other than the names of the Prophets?"

Let me ask you this - why do you feel it's "religiously" offensive to name a teddy, so? Does the Quran forbid this? I can understand it can be offensive from a cultural perspective - but cultures are not similar - and they always evolve.

Re: the hamster - you missing my point. I am not saying "replace" God with an idol. If you have not seen God, what difference does it make in what shape you perceive him - fully realizing, it's not his true form - yet continue to live life as per his teachings and as guidance? Do you honestly think, Christians believe Leonardo da Vinci's painting of the last supper is a true portrait of Jesus Christ?

As for those evangelists - please, don't get me started.

Yalla, enough debate for a day, am going to say my prayers and go to bed. Good Night :)

December 05, 2007 8:56 PM  
Blogger al-republican said...


If you do not believe in Scripture then there really is no need for a religion or a relationship with God. God communicates collectively to His creation via scripture and Prophets. Had He willed, He could have made everyone His follower, but with human beings this was not the case.

Angels were created by God and they were NOT given the ability to reject God. They just can't - they don't have "reason" and "intellect". It's the same with every other creation EXCEPT mankind. God gave us the ability to either believe or reject Him. He shows His signs and judges if man will recognize His Being as his Sustainer.

Human reason is WAY too overrated. Do you seriously think that the human intellect today is better than it was in 5000 BC? You are misleading yourself if you think this way. Aristotle, Socrates et al are proof of this fact. Yes, we are technologically more advanced today, but that does not mean our reasoning and logic has also evolved for the better. Evolution can be for the worse too. Why, even technological advance has a NEGATIVE fallout on the Earth's atmosphere and resources.

God created man and in His Infinite wisdom (and it was a major Mercy) sent down an "instruction manual" on what He expects from us. The concept of hell and heaven applies only to human beings as intellect is a salient feature of human beings ONLY.

If you were to hit back on etymology so much more could make sense. The human intellect is known in Arabic as "aql" and in Hebrew "Sechel". Sechel refers to a circular ring, whereas 'aql is loosely defined (in its root meaning) as a ring too. 'Aql in classical Arabic is the string you tie around a goat's neck that RESTRICTS its movement beyond its radial length (think of a rope fixed at the center and how it cannot stretch beyond its radius).

Hence, intellect by definition is something that is RESTRICTED. Its domain is based only in that circular ring and therefore our intellects cannot stretch outside that ring. We can evolve all we want, but we will never be able to break those barriers. Semitic languages and their roots are so important and key to understanding all this as you can see! So a human beings mind is like the rope around a goat's neck - it gives it the space to move around as it wishes, but not beyond certain boundaries.

Allah (subhanahu wa Ta'ala) has set this limit on the human mind. He is not bound by these limits and it is exactly for this reason why He sent down Scripture for the guidance of mankind to achieve eternal bliss. If we as humans are going to trust our limited intellects then there is nothing but misguidance.

Feel free to trust your intellect and "guide" you. That is the CHOICE you make (again, another favor of God to us that no other creation enjoys). In the end, we all have to answer to the Almighty and give our own accounts.

December 05, 2007 9:42 PM  
Blogger the real nick said...

you completely miss the point.
For the sake of the argument I am willing to concede that the teacher may or may not have shown disrespect to one of your prophets by allowing children to name a teddy bear after him.

Okay, she was not aware of this.

Surely a quiet word from the Parents Teacher association with the principal could have resolved this??
Surely someone could have explained this to the teacher who then could have explained the inappropriateness to the kids??

THIS IS HOW you deal with conflict first and foremost. NOT by asking for blood.

Hate was incited apparently. A whole religion was insulted apparently. The mob needs to be mobilized. Uproar. Outrage. Demonstrations. Death to the infidel!!

This kind of thin skinned knee jerk reaction that Muslims continously show the world over to anything that they perceive critical of their religion is just mindbogglingly unreasonable and ridiculous, if it wasn't so scary.

You do yourself no favours by condoning this idiotic behaviour of your "brothers". This makes you an idiot, too.

We laugh at you. We cannot possibly take you seriously. Unreasonable behaviour doesn't help the understanding you apparently so crave for.

Another brick in the wall that you build between us.

December 05, 2007 11:08 PM  
Blogger al-republican said...


The issue would have been exploited by the Sudanese media for sure. Some idiot out there reported it (aren't you guys for free and irresponsible media?), which is equal to inciting people. Once the people were mobilized and demonstrations began, it got out of the hands of the authority even. This is why journalism should be responsible. Why can't some things be kept private as you suggest?

Also, I hope you realize that it is also the West that is building a wall between the East and West (that is exactly why I started this blog!)? In fact, Israel is doing it quite literally!

I do not condone this behavior, but I hope you see your mob mentality as well? You are dragging IYM into what the Sudanese did and are now calling for your own demonstrations of marginalizing all "idiot" Muslims!

There is a lot of mistrust amongst Muslims with Westerners, but Nick is the West not living in denial (as are we)? I mean you guys still think the creation of Israel was a really great idea! That act alone was enough to totally make Muslims lose all credibility in the West.

December 06, 2007 12:01 AM  
Blogger al-republican said...

Also by doing things like awarding Salman Rushdie knighthood, Muslims across the World see this as the British taunting at their sensitivities.

It is because of these stupid steps your governments take (which you couldn't deny even with tongue-in-cheek) that makes people think that all British are bastards. Pretty much how what the Sudanese did makes you think that IYM is part of the bunch.

Will you deny that Muhammad ibn Abdullah (SAW) is being bashed unabatedly by different segments in the west these days? What are you all trying to achieve by doing this? I am not condoning their behavior, but you can clearly see how the mistrust is coming in here. The Sudanese saw it pretty much like Muhammad + British + weird act = another attempt at maligning Islam.

December 06, 2007 12:11 AM  
Blogger BuJ said...

Oh, what's going on here?

December 06, 2007 1:03 AM  
Blogger al-republican said...

Haha, thanks for your input, Buj :P

December 06, 2007 4:35 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

Nick - perhaps you misunderstood IYM, if you read her blog - you shall see it's folks like her the West needs to understand Muslim and the Arab world. She isn't anything like those few clowns in Sudan who kicked up this s**t storm.

Al - I shall respond in due course. Apologies, just jammed in deadlines/meetings this morning. Thanks for sharing your thoughts....for now, I shall say, please don't "stretch" my comments/sentiments so far.

December 06, 2007 6:53 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

The Real Nick..
No, I didn't misunderstand anything ( you can look at my response to this in BuJ's blog)..
I know the issue has gone out of proportion to any logic.. and this is not the way for sure such a case should have been handled..

Believe me, I'm more tolerant than most of Arabs/Muslims these days to the idea of having more than one faith system on this earth.. I don't play God on Earth by any means, as I don't like it to be played on me by some idiots who think they'll go to Heaven and I'll go to Hill for being 'disobedient' to the rules..

Hope I made myself clear..
No offence to anyone..

December 06, 2007 9:05 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

Hey guys.. let's not get dragged indefinitely with this mind-draining discussion ( like one of Christian friends here would call it " it's an itellectual masturbation " ) !

Back to the post and innocense; any one knows how Leonardo Da Vinci painted his " The Last Supper " ? ( how long it took him and what's the story behind it).. I know it.. so please find out.. it's an iteresting one to know !

December 06, 2007 9:15 AM  
Blogger Inspire Your Mind said...

Hi, it's me again..
Al- I think 32 comments is more than enough for you now.. I'm getting jellous..
I posted an entry on " the last supper" on my blog..
Anyone who's interested is more than welcomed to comment..

December 06, 2007 9:46 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

OK, lots been said - (my closing comment) let's all be good in our hearts & sensible in our minds :)

December 07, 2007 6:54 PM  
Anonymous :P :P :P said...

I am not here to discuss "teddy bears".....just wanted to congratulate my friend for seeing the love in life.....I thank God for this day dost! And I appreciate the people who are responsible for this.....you know who you are.....these were very cute stories!

I wanna start my own blog now :P :P :P

December 08, 2007 12:33 AM  
Blogger the real nick said...


Some idiot out there reported it (aren't you guys for free and irresponsible media?), which is equal to inciting people.

You are confused again. What is it now? Did the teacher incite hatred or was it the journalist who reported it??
Actually, it most probably was one of the moronic parents who buttoned onto the occasion of stinking up a fuss over a small insensitive faux pas by tipping off the press. It’s obvious that someone here has an agenda. And it wasn’t Ms. Gibbons.

You are dragging IYM into what the Sudanese did and are now calling for your own demonstrations of marginalizing all "idiot" Muslims

IYM implicitly defended the reactions as justifiable by attaching blame solely to the teacher as opposed to those idiots who then blew it out of all proportions. IYM drags himself into Sudan.

That act alone was enough to totally make Muslims lose all credibility in the West.

Haha, lovely Freudian slip! Muslims may be losing confidence in the West, but indeed, Muslims are losing all credibility in the West because of their unreasonable behaviour. Especially Palestinians and Sudanese, I would add.


Salman Rushdie would have never been knighted had he not been made the fulcrum of a debate about freedom of expression. Which, incidentally he was turned into by you guys and your unreasonable (again) reaction to a few words.
Hold a second, Al. You don’t really condone and support the fatwa against him, do you?! Answers on a postcard please.

Will you deny that Muhammad ibn Abdullah (SAW) is being bashed unabatedly by different segments in the west these days?

Al, I really must apologize for this insensitive bashing of teenage martyrs who now enjoy 72 virgins for eternity (>underage sex?! Never mind.)
I know we really really ought to respect that Muslims want their teenagers to martyr themselves. I mean, that’s just soooo awesome on your part! That’s so tough and manly. Real role models!

Dammit, we westerners are such wimps.

December 08, 2007 12:39 AM  
Blogger BuJ said...

Nick, I'm not sure what you're aiming at here.. you lash out at the Sudanese, IYM, Palestinians, and then the West.. you remind me with that Korean dude that went into a US University and shot 17 people or so then finished with himself.

I fail to see the point in your comment.

Oh, and IYM is a "she"...

December 08, 2007 3:10 AM  
Blogger Creation said...

*is still innocent*

December 08, 2007 6:41 AM  
Blogger the real nick said...

I'm aiming at the West,too? Only if you believe that I was being serious in the last paragraph...

December 08, 2007 7:10 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

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December 08, 2007 7:31 AM  
Blogger rosh said...

holy crap! i thought we were done here ....dang! :)

Scriptures by itself cannot make man understand religion - but living amongst one another, understanding one another, education, exposure to ways of life/thinking across the globe - and most importantly a thinking mind & a considerate heart.

If you force people to follow scriptures as is - it's a recipe for trouble and troubled souls.

December 08, 2007 7:32 AM  
Blogger al-republican said...


Mock us all you want, your mocking only reinforces who the culprit is here. You may think that our young continue to fight against all odds in the hope of 72 virgins - whatever rocks your boat.

And please dont give us that hogwash on "freedom of speech". You are so quick to label anything that challenges your opinion as "spewing hate"! I hope you realize Nick that the reason no one buys into what you guys market is because you guys are the biggest hypocrites out there. No one buys into these stupid "freedoms" you guys parrot. Salman Rushdie's book is HATE material and somehow your holy radars are unable to detect that. I wonder if you have even read the damn book?

What is good to see is the hate and frustration in you and like-minded folks. It comes out in the way you write, which shows a deep sense of desperation and disbelief of how mavericks are giving you such a tough time. It proves that these "teenage martyrs" are really getting underneath your skins and bashing the living hell out of you. No wonder you guys call them "terrorists"! They ARE terrorizing you and I guess that is good to know.

December 08, 2007 7:37 AM  
Blogger the real nick said...

Salman Rushdie's book is HATE material and somehow your holy radars are unable to detect that.

No Al, I haven't read the book, but that's besides the point: The point being appropriate reasonable behaviour.

If you feel wronged and feel that a book incites hatred then there are proper channels for legal redress. This is how it works. You don't go and call for someone's blood.

That radical Muslims do this time and again only proves their idiotic contempt for secular law and ultimately our way of life.

No big surprise there. So, no, beacause we in West know what to expect from your ilk we are not terrorised, as in 'scared shitless'.
I just don't trust any Muslim and keep my eyes peeled.

December 08, 2007 10:36 PM  
Blogger the real nick said...

And yes, since you must be wondering, I am in Dubai for the money and absolutley fucking nothing else.

December 08, 2007 10:40 PM  
Blogger al-republican said...


I think the other way of addressing hate issues is extra-ordinary renditions, unaccountable prison cells in "alien" land, all-out war against UN charter, and please let us not forget Nuclear bombing in case shit really gets out of hand.

And I don't really care why you or anyone chooses to live anywhere in the World. It is your right to live where you wish. I am not the "leave if you don't like" types.

Although I can think about "behead if you dont like"... :P

December 08, 2007 11:44 PM  
Anonymous unjane said...

Well, that was an interesting read from a post with a pretty innocuous topic. As a Western, Christian woman, I'd say the thing I find most odd about this story (besides the fact that it was a disgruntled ex-employee who blew the whistle 2 months after the fact) is that the respect for various human prophets is sacrosanct while you don't waste a second slitting another human's throat for some perceived wrong. I believe God wishes us to respect all human life equally. I wish you did, too.

December 24, 2007 12:42 PM  
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